KLH formula NEN3650-1:2003 in Soil Model Wizard - Printable Version +- PLE forum (http://www.ple4win.nl/forum) +-- Forum: Support (http://www.ple4win.nl/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=5) +--- Forum: Ple4Win User Interface (http://www.ple4win.nl/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=29) +---- Forum: Soil Model Wizard (http://www.ple4win.nl/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=27) +---- Thread: KLH formula NEN3650-1:2003 in Soil Model Wizard (/showthread.php?tid=224) KLH formula NEN3650-1:2003 in Soil Model Wizard - shaswin - 15-03-2012 Helpfile: Ple4Win v4.2.0 The formula for KLH used in the Soil Model Wizard according to NEN3650-1:2003+A1:2006 is only valid for Z/D < 3. Read the remark in the Dutch code. [attachment=239] I think the soil wizard is using the formula for Z/D<3 also for Z/D ≥ 3. When Z/D ≥ 3 you should use the formula Kh,30, because the othe formula is then not accurate. RE: KLH formula NEN3650-1:2003 in Soil Model Wizard - ir KW Radder - 22-03-2012 The section of NEN 3650-1:2003/A1:2006 concerning the horizontal soil stiffness kh is based on the Delft Cluster document "Intergraal ontwerp leidingen en riolen, Grondmechanische randvoorwaarden" dated January 2001. The formula for kh,30 has been derived from a paper by Audibert and Nyman. The kh1 (and kh2 and kh3) formula is based on full scale loading tests on pipelines (Kesteren) and Plaxis calculations. See figure below. [attachment=257] It turns out that for deeper situated pipelines Audibert and Nyman predict a too weak spring behaviour (see graph Audibert/Nyman diep). That's why it is recommended to use the formula kh1 = 33 qhe/D (graph trilineiar zand). For clay the same formula is proposed. This can be demonstrated further by calculating the kh,30 values for varying values of Z/D. Say kh,30 = F qhe/D, then (for drained situation): Z/D F 1 54 2 41 3 33 4 28 This shows that the formula Kh1 is more accurate than the formula kh,30 especially for Z/D > 3. The remark in the NEN 3650 code only states that the Kesteren tests have been performed up to a Z/D value 3. It does not say that for higher values the formulae do not hold. RE: KLH formula NEN3650-1:2003 in Soil Model Wizard - shaswin - 22-03-2012 If kh1 is more accurate, I don't know why the Dutch normcommission included the kh,30 in the NEN 3650. They could used the simplified formula kh1 also for Z/D ≥ 3. RE: KLH formula NEN3650-1:2003 in Soil Model Wizard - ir KW Radder - 22-03-2012 To be more precise kh1 is more accurate for deeper situated pipelines in sand. I do not know the considerations of the NEN 3650 committee. Maybe the reason is that the Audibert/Nyman formula is more conservative for Z/D < 3 (sand and clay/peat, drained situation) or Z/D < 5 (clay/peat, undrained situation).